May 20, 2008

Idiot List
FOUND by Rudy Luciani in Chicago, Illinois
Found along the walk.
Me
I vote candidate three.
+ May 20, 2008 12:02 AM +
Karen in IL
Me too- P sounds good until you see "idiot," which would be a deal-breaker for me. I'd take R.
+ May 20, 2008 12:11 AM +
Clover in the Lawn
On the bottom of Number 3 I thought it said "Louse. Stable Income."

I vote for Number 2. I don't care if he is an idiot. The rest makes up for it. Number 1 is self-absorbed and Number 3 has child support (and presumably an ex-wife he has to deal with because of the kids.)
+ May 20, 2008 12:25 AM +
stuck in a rerun of the dating game.
on the plus side for bachelor number two: well hung.. on the plus side for number three: good sex. I wonder how much size factors into her final decision.

Number one's just funny and cute, with suitable housing.
+ May 20, 2008 01:04 AM +
me aga in ....
ooops. I just realized as I was hitting post that I mixed up the numbers... oh well. And it says good sex PARTNER.. not just good sex.

I need a cold shower.
+ May 20, 2008 01:05 AM +
Just me in my house
How about none of them? She's so desperate to have a man that she resorts to eeny-meeny-miny-moe type games, and the two of the contenders are described as self-absorbed idiots.
+ May 20, 2008 01:16 AM +
Sticky Note in the Wind
Interesting. My initial impression is that the author is as shallow as the legal pad paper is thin. Like Just Me said: she likely doesn't deserve any of them.
Not that good sex with idiots is bad thing (sometimes)...
+ May 20, 2008 01:45 AM +
Josie in Vancouver
Hmm... I've made these lists to help a date-or-dump decision. Turns out, the need to make the list means that either a miracle or a breakup is required.
+ May 20, 2008 02:01 AM +
guy in cognito
does no one else find this as disgusting as i do? if you have to list the pros and cons of three seperate people, you're not ready for a relationship above high school level.
+ May 20, 2008 02:56 AM +
princess in denial
I love this...and I love the fact that they are spoilt for choice most people only get one idiot at a time....wow
+ May 20, 2008 03:07 AM +
p in denial
PS I vote for 3, even though he is not a great sex partner or funny at least he's not an idiot but the Child support/ ex wife is not very appealing, still no ones perfect. Plus no one is funny after 7 years, 3 kids a dog and a mortgage....oh maybe thats just me
+ May 20, 2008 03:11 AM +
Holly the Homemaker in Toronto

Ahahaha!! I think this is hilarious! If having to write down the 'positives & negatives' of the 3 men you're interested in helps make your decision, so be it! No one is perfect!
I'd take bachelor #2!!!!
+ May 20, 2008 04:37 AM +
wrye in decision
hummm... have to choose R- even with the kids/child support if he *really* pays the child support that says something positive about responsibility.... idiots are annoying, not worth the good sex. (because then they either a) talk about their ex's b)get up to play 'super smash brothers' or c) call their mother.)
+ May 20, 2008 05:27 AM +
whats cookin in the kitchen
Looks like someone was taking notes between commercials during their appearance on “The Dating Game”.
+ May 20, 2008 05:53 AM +
Librarian in the woodwork
Well, at least all three are "interested in you" . . . which tells me that this list wasn't even writen out by the woman who can't make up her mind, it was written down by her friend. In other words, for a woman who both can't make up her mind AND can't think for herself.

Run guys! Run! Get away while you can!!
+ May 20, 2008 06:36 AM +
Toasty in DE
This is sooo romantic! I guess I'm just bitter bc I've never had three guys to choose from.

With number one it's no sex, no time, no fun so he's out. Number two is an idiot so he's out. I vote for # 3.
+ May 20, 2008 06:55 AM +
Liz in Leeds
Librarian, maybe she's addressing herself in the second person. Like Crazy Jimmy.

I kind of agree with what people have said - she's clearly not THAT into any of them if she has to make a list. I mean, none of these looks like a true love situation exactly. I think everybody would be better off if she got a bit of distance from the relationships.

Not that I'm an expert at relationships (except failed ones), but sometimes people who look great on paper don't work out in real life, and the ones with a longer list of cons are the ones you really want to be with, despite their faults.

I wouldn't necessarily write her off as shallow and immature, though - like Holly said, nobody's perfect.
+ May 20, 2008 06:56 AM +
Liz in Leeds
But if I had to choose I'd vote #3.
+ May 20, 2008 06:57 AM +
Maynard in Murillo


GOLDDIGGER
+ May 20, 2008 07:16 AM +
Church Mouse in US
Why does everyone assume it's a woman's list? Couldn't a woman be paying child support?
+ May 20, 2008 07:24 AM +
H in A
Church Mouse: A woman could be paying child support, but it is hard for a woman to be "well hung."
+ May 20, 2008 07:36 AM +
Paul in Canada
On number three, 5 down it says "interested in me." I think that's a number one requirement. Who wants someone who not interested. Is number one married?
+ May 20, 2008 07:37 AM +
Night in gale
They all say "interested in you", Paul. And yeah, they seem to be NOW.

Keep looking honey. You gotta kiss a lotta frogs.
+ May 20, 2008 07:41 AM +
Marie in C-ville, VA
R! R! R!
Come on - A is boring and no fun and P is a loser!

Some people, like me, organize their thoughts much better - even (and especially!) in serious situations - by writing a list like this.

Now as for shallow, I'd say if she likes them all, she is not shallow, she is trying to make a smart choice. But if she is ONLY choosing based on the listed characteristics, she is shallow.
+ May 20, 2008 07:54 AM +
mona lisa in making a list of pros and cons about the lack of cookies
I'm with you on this one, Nightingale. Keep looking.
Having to make a list about three guys suggests that she's not 'in love' with any of them. I think she is either shallow and immature, as suggested, or desperate, and thinking that true love is never going to happen for her.
+ May 20, 2008 07:56 AM +
Jen K in Beavercreek, OH
Does anyone else notice that personality is on the positive and negative sides for all three candidates? If the personality is iffy on all three men, I'd say keep it movin', honey.
+ May 20, 2008 08:08 AM +
Generally disappointed in the women on this site
Liz, why am I not surprised that you "wouldn't necessarily write her off as shallow and immature"? Oh, yeah, I remember.

If this was a GUY writing a list ... nice tits, good f*ck, makes a lot of money, whoops! has kids and needs to lose 20 pounds! Yikes!etc ... would you be as charitable?

Excuse me while I go puke.

+ May 20, 2008 08:14 AM +
Smiling on a rainy day in Washington
I thought Number 3 sounded 'practically perfect in every way' until I saw he's still legally married. Move on, Girl.... and the first two have WAY too many negatives. I love this Find. Looking back, I wish someone would have helped me make lists like this!
+ May 20, 2008 08:15 AM +
Party in My Pants
It's not necessarily a woman...what if it's a gay man?
+ May 20, 2008 08:16 AM +
K_____ in a completely different list
To all of you who'd choose #3: How can you ignore "Seperated, Pending D[ivorce]?" Yeah right -- keep holding your breath for that one!

I'm agreeing that none of them look like decent choices at all, and that the list-maker is not headed in the correct direction to find happiness.

+ May 20, 2008 08:17 AM +
Turbo in the Thunderdome
Why are the names blurred out? I want to know who's a hoser. Oh wait. Is that "no sex" under A?
+ May 20, 2008 08:17 AM +
Whiskey in The Jar
I like how A and R have "kids" as negatives. But she manipulated P's not having kids into a plus.
+ May 20, 2008 08:21 AM +
Amanda in Chicago
Speed dating notes perhaps? She doesn't know anything about them but this stuff and is trying to decide if she wants to persue a date with any of them. That's what i think.
+ May 20, 2008 08:25 AM +
Stay single.
She shouldn't even consider Alex. He's involved for chrissake. And Phil's an idiot who is only a good sex partner. Not great. I'd pick Rick if I had to choose between these three.
But really being single is so good!
+ May 20, 2008 08:44 AM +
chillin
Personality should come first. Because, really, when everything else is gone and you're all alone in your rocking chairs at the retirement home you will need good conversation. I know I'm all set!
+ May 20, 2008 08:45 AM +
sick in tired
How about e) none of the above?

If you have to list a person's pros and cons, it's not worth it. Trust me on this one. You do or you don't.
+ May 20, 2008 08:57 AM +
Curious in Charlotte, NC
LOL @ Amanda - Speed dating where you get to f*** everybody? Sign me up! Oh, no, wait - that sounds gross.

These do seem like shallow, shallow considerations to me. I don't understand how A can be fun, yet boring. And a hoser. I think she really like A, and is trying to talk herself out of it.
+ May 20, 2008 08:57 AM +
Curious in Charlotte, NC
I'm not going to correct "like A" to "likes A". I'm above all that. ;)
+ May 20, 2008 08:59 AM +
CuriousKat in LG WI
Mona and Night, I'm with you guys on this.

When raising my daugters my standard line of advice was that it can be more fun looking for a boyfriend than having one.

Of course, they didn't always follow this advice so there was a household rule that they weren't allowed to mourn a relationship longer than it lasted.
+ May 20, 2008 09:25 AM +
fem in ist
I find this more depressing than funny.
+ May 20, 2008 09:35 AM +
Sarah in Dallas
Wow. If she needs to make a pros and cons list, she should just move on and find someone else.
+ May 20, 2008 10:00 AM +
spider gomea in astoria, oregon
so, why does everyone think it's a woman's list?
+ May 20, 2008 10:12 AM +
spider gomez in astoria
oh, I didn't catch "well Hung"
+ May 20, 2008 10:14 AM +
mona lisa in the louvre.. gimme some cookies
Curious Kat, that sounds like my mom's advice when it comes to buying some gadget or new purse or something. Is it going to be more fun wanting it, or having it. I wish i had applied that to my relationships, instead of shoes.
+ May 20, 2008 10:25 AM +
further evidence
What's the ugliest part of your body?
Some say your nose
Some say your toes
But I think it's your mind.



+ May 20, 2008 10:27 AM +
nadine
Stable income is pretty important. Otherwise, you may end up supporting him (been there, done that).
+ May 20, 2008 11:05 AM +
Liz in Leeds
@Generally: dude, I'd just rather not judge people based on a scrap of paper they left lying around. Possibly written while drunk, or in a moment of weakness. Sorry about making you want to puke, based on assumptions you've made about how I would react in a hypothetical situation. Jeez Louise.

I AM A WOMAN THEREFORE I MUST HAVE DOUBLE STANDARDS, BASED ON NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER, AND THE FACT I DON'T AUTOMATICALLY JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THE WORTH OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING MAKES ME A HORRIBLE HORRIBLE PERSON

OK THEN
+ May 20, 2008 11:05 AM +
nadine
The stable income item made think of this joke:

What do you call a musician with out a girl friend?
Homeless!
+ May 20, 2008 11:15 AM +
Coco in decisive
Reminds me of one of my darker moments. I made one of these in high school with a boy that I had a crush on debating the pro/cons of a girl that he had a crush on. She found it.

I'm sorry Elise.
+ May 20, 2008 11:21 AM +
alan goes "pting" in Joe Strummer's head
If I had screened people out simply because they were an idiot - I would have never gone on a single date.
+ May 20, 2008 11:24 AM +
LMA in Suburban Maryland
If you honestly find that your choices in a mate come down to these three options, you really should be reconsidering compulsory heterosexuality. Or taking a personal vow of celibacy. Seriously.
+ May 20, 2008 11:28 AM +
Qu in n
#1 is married too....She's got "involved" on the list...she sounds like an escort trying to pick a relationship from some of her dates...Who the hell else gets with so many married men???
+ May 20, 2008 11:45 AM +
Christina in Illinois
All 3 sound like duds - where is option 4?

#1 just sounds uptight, boring, and preoccupied with other parts of his life. #2 apparently is an idiot, haha which for me would automatically dismiss him, but I guess not for our list-maker. #3 does have child support and I can't read the first part, but I'd go for him judging by this list.

I like this find, it's a pretty deep look into somebody's brain. A lot of our recent finds have just been scratches at the surface.
+ May 20, 2008 01:06 PM +
Tess in Sacramento
Mr. Boring, Mr. Idiot, or Mr. Louse...

OMG! I'm dating those guys too. Damn boring idiot louse two timers.
+ May 20, 2008 01:09 PM +
Terrie-Is-So-Very in totally-unique-ville
I wonder how offended a person might be to find themselves on a 'pros and cons' list with two other people. I think my dignity and self-respect would help narrow down the choices by forcing me to walk away.
+ May 20, 2008 01:20 PM +
Effie in Oxfordshire
Didn't Ross do one of these in Friends once? haha. Mega lame
+ May 20, 2008 01:35 PM +
Effie in Oxfordshire
I say enjoy fucking the idiot for a while, until you've grown up a bit
+ May 20, 2008 01:37 PM +
Inertia in Tempe
I don't think that's "Louse". It's in the positives, so I think she's saying he has a House. Or he is House, but that wouldn't be a positive for me (Hugh Laurie, on the other hand...)
+ May 20, 2008 03:53 PM +
Liz in Leeds
I'd do House in a heartbeat if he weren't totally gay for Wilson.
+ May 20, 2008 04:38 PM +
Narnian Nymph in disbelief
*gasp* I love how this find somehow got turned into talking about House. My friend and I play this game where we take normal conversation and see if we can somehow turn it into a discussion about House. We're nerds and we love it : D
+ May 20, 2008 06:15 PM +
Yup in yiminee
Whoa. Did SALT come out as a woman? And how come no one's bitching about the list maker not utilizing the lines on the paper? And Effie, Ross had a whole long list of Rachel's flaws, and the other chick's negative was that she wasn't "Rachem". These lists need to be made on self-destructive paper. But then we'd miss all this fun.
+ May 20, 2008 07:01 PM +
I shall rema in nameless.
What an indecisive, low self - esteem home wrecker.
+ May 20, 2008 08:59 PM +
I'm in way over my head here!
@yup; it didn't bother me that the person didn't use the lines...although now that you mentioned it I find it rather annoying. What did bug me was the fact that the paper is folded into 4 columns but there are only 3 categories. I know, I know, I'm sure the folding was just folding, and was not meant to be columns, but it bugs me nonetheless.
+ May 21, 2008 12:09 AM +
Andy in Chicago, IL
I like how she went out of her way to write "Interested in you" for each one.
+ May 21, 2008 12:18 AM +
Lil' Ol' Me
I have to wonder what A's first + was, before it was scratched out.

Look at the D's at the end of absorbed and involved in A's negative column. I'll have to try to find that in my handwriting analysis book. It must mean "something."
+ May 21, 2008 12:22 AM +
zane in sane
This looks like it was written by two people. Person 1 started the list by querying Person 2 involved with these guys, trying to help out. Person 2 later added some final info to the list after P1 had left, possibly after doing a bit of research to find out about the stable income and the house situation.
+ May 21, 2008 09:33 AM +
name withheld in undisclosed location
I'm gonna say that it was written in two segments with different pens, but that both were written by the same hand- note the g in A-6 "boring", and compare to the g in P-2 "good sex" (!)- they're the same. Also the d at the end of R's "child support" looks like those other artifically inflated Ds from the other entries.

+ May 21, 2008 01:15 PM +
jerry in a haze
I can tell from the handwriting that she likes P the best. I wonder exactly what he did to earn the label "idiot"...

I think that the powerhouse of positives that she wrote down without hesitation for P (she had to think for awhile for the other two) tells the underlying truth that she knows herself.
+ May 21, 2008 08:38 PM +
Liz in the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
Good question, jerry. I was thinking it just meant "he's not that bright", but actually "idiot" is pretty harsh for that. Sounds like he did something to piss her off.
+ May 21, 2008 09:05 PM +
Dudley
I feel like a fool... How soon can you get here?
+ May 22, 2008 04:33 PM +
little bunny foofoo snoozing in the forest
I don't understand the numbering system. What is the point of numbering anyway? They all sound pretty bad.

I'm also annoyed by the folding and that the writer didn't use the lines.

+ May 22, 2008 09:03 PM +
wearing boots in the hall, going up the down staircase
little bunny, it is funny the things that annoy us. i know a girl who is annoyed if a paper bends, as what happens when the corners of two papers are stapled together, and you want to turn the page. at school during tests, she takes the staples out, and after she's done, she restaples them. I wonder how she feels when she gets her test back and the paper has been bent because the teacher didn't bother to take the staple out while grading it.
+ May 22, 2008 11:01 PM +
Dust in the wind in WI
I think that it's bachelor number two..the "idiot" thing is just underlining passion mixed with her fear of the real thing.


+ May 23, 2008 09:25 PM +
self-helping myself in my head
I actually am reading a book that had me make a list like this about past relationships. Maybe she's reading the same one?
+ May 25, 2008 03:28 PM +
miss gredenko in love with my husband
Really, keep looking.
Do not stop looking until the minus side is empty because all the negatives are totally insignificant.
I believe this can happen. It happened for me (and lots of my friends, too!)
+ May 27, 2008 10:43 AM +
ultrajones
If only the writer of this note could read this. Pick #2. He's an idiot, that means you have something immensely defining about yourself in common with him: you are an idiot too. Truth is that I've seen lists like this before and the girls who made them were serious trouble for everyone, including themselves. I wish I could say otherwise, but every instinct tells me that one of these guys is going to wish she'd never narrowed it down! Do NOT open a joint account with this woman!

In high school this might be cute, as an adult it's a real sign of trouble.
+ June 04, 2008 07:12 PM +

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